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		<title>Comment on Rally Day or Radical Day? by Charles</title>
		<link>http://thedoorsopen.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/rally-day-or-radical-day/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing new. Even in his own time Jesus addressed this by saying that a rich man has a better chance of going through the eye of a needle than getting to heaven. Oppression and poverty have always deepened the Christian soul where wealth and power tend either to terrorize with force or to cheapen with their embrace. I think Dr. Goyer is on point to say that there is something really radical given the reality our culture in the simple action of just taking church seriously. Our business and our busyness tend to veil the real value of our religious opportunity and to allow us to take it for granted. The irony is that the very freedom to worship is what undercuts our willingness to so and waters down our capacity to understand the real benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new. Even in his own time Jesus addressed this by saying that a rich man has a better chance of going through the eye of a needle than getting to heaven. Oppression and poverty have always deepened the Christian soul where wealth and power tend either to terrorize with force or to cheapen with their embrace. I think Dr. Goyer is on point to say that there is something really radical given the reality our culture in the simple action of just taking church seriously. Our business and our busyness tend to veil the real value of our religious opportunity and to allow us to take it for granted. The irony is that the very freedom to worship is what undercuts our willingness to so and waters down our capacity to understand the real benefits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rally Day or Radical Day? by Mary</title>
		<link>http://thedoorsopen.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/rally-day-or-radical-day/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t have to go as far as China for an example of how Christianity survives in a communist country.  Cuba is the case in point.  The Revolution in 1959 prompted an exodus of Cubans for the U.S. and other countries, as well as the exit of Presbyterian missionaries.  Discrimination against Christians forbade them from becoming Party members - which meant they were often not able to procure housing, jobs, education or other new benefits being given to Cubans.  The few Christians who remained in Cuba continued to meet and worship, and the Church stayed alive.
When Fidel Castro finally began to open up opportunities for Christians in the 1990s, former members began to return and the Presbyterian Church - among others - began to grow.
The Presbyterian Church is still alive and well: worshipping, helping neighbors and serving as a moral leader for the country.
A professor of the Ecumenical Seminary in Matanzas says
&quot;People ask &#039;how you can be a Christian in a Communist country?&#039;  I answer &#039;How can you be a Christian in a Capitalist country?&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t have to go as far as China for an example of how Christianity survives in a communist country.  Cuba is the case in point.  The Revolution in 1959 prompted an exodus of Cubans for the U.S. and other countries, as well as the exit of Presbyterian missionaries.  Discrimination against Christians forbade them from becoming Party members &#8211; which meant they were often not able to procure housing, jobs, education or other new benefits being given to Cubans.  The few Christians who remained in Cuba continued to meet and worship, and the Church stayed alive.<br />
When Fidel Castro finally began to open up opportunities for Christians in the 1990s, former members began to return and the Presbyterian Church &#8211; among others &#8211; began to grow.<br />
The Presbyterian Church is still alive and well: worshipping, helping neighbors and serving as a moral leader for the country.<br />
A professor of the Ecumenical Seminary in Matanzas says<br />
&#8220;People ask &#8216;how you can be a Christian in a Communist country?&#8217;  I answer &#8216;How can you be a Christian in a Capitalist country?&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunday&#8217;s Sermon: Original sin, the wrath of God, and Jesus as the substitute payback. by LeanneB.</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeanneB.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last comment (the part regarding the woman struggling to the Eucharist) made it exceedingly simple for me to grasp. In giving of ourselves we find that is when we truly receive. Maybe Jesus gave of Himself freely for us to see that He was willing to sacrifice Himself to help mankind understand. His sacrifice also serves as the ultimate example. So stunningly complex, yet simple enough for a child to understand. Give of yourself . . . or simply . . . give yourself. Sacrifice comes in many forms and your thought-provoking message helped me to consider my own life and ask &quot;what am I sacrificing and what am I willing to sacrifice?&quot; It need not be a blood sacrifice, but Jesus in His human form knew what we demanded as humans. And He went . . . knowingly. Thank you for making us all think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last comment (the part regarding the woman struggling to the Eucharist) made it exceedingly simple for me to grasp. In giving of ourselves we find that is when we truly receive. Maybe Jesus gave of Himself freely for us to see that He was willing to sacrifice Himself to help mankind understand. His sacrifice also serves as the ultimate example. So stunningly complex, yet simple enough for a child to understand. Give of yourself . . . or simply . . . give yourself. Sacrifice comes in many forms and your thought-provoking message helped me to consider my own life and ask &#8220;what am I sacrificing and what am I willing to sacrifice?&#8221; It need not be a blood sacrifice, but Jesus in His human form knew what we demanded as humans. And He went . . . knowingly. Thank you for making us all think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on  by Mary B.</title>
		<link>http://thedoorsopen.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/15/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re sin and God&#039;s love and which comes first:  What do we do with the first 12 verses of Mark?  The scribes get all agitated because Jesus first forgives the sins of the paralyzed man, and then, to accomodate the complainers, he tells the sick man to pick up his mat and go home/heals him(?). If I understand your sermon thesis, God&#039;s love/forgiveness/understanding and loving us comes before our realization that we need to have our sins forgiven.  When we are confronted by God&#039;s great love for us, (you said ) then we ask forgiveness and go pick up our beds and walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re sin and God&#8217;s love and which comes first:  What do we do with the first 12 verses of Mark?  The scribes get all agitated because Jesus first forgives the sins of the paralyzed man, and then, to accomodate the complainers, he tells the sick man to pick up his mat and go home/heals him(?). If I understand your sermon thesis, God&#8217;s love/forgiveness/understanding and loving us comes before our realization that we need to have our sins forgiven.  When we are confronted by God&#8217;s great love for us, (you said ) then we ask forgiveness and go pick up our beds and walk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on  by D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes a lot of sense. What do you think is meant by Proverbs 9:10? Do you know if our translated word &quot;fear&quot; had perhaps different meanings in different uses in the original text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes a lot of sense. What do you think is meant by Proverbs 9:10? Do you know if our translated word &#8220;fear&#8221; had perhaps different meanings in different uses in the original text?</p>
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		<title>Comment on  by Steve Goyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Goyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did God take their lives or did their own guilty conscience? Besides, the church loved this story and made sure it was included because it was in their self interest. After Ananias and Saphora died Acts 5:11 said &quot;Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard of these things.&quot; I&#039;ll bet it did. They had no trouble after this meeting their annual budget. In counter-distinction Jesus says  over and over again, &quot;do not be afraid,&quot; and Paul, &quot;perfect love casts out fear.&quot; If God zaps us for lying out of own self interest then over-population would not be an issue. The question would be why there was any population left at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did God take their lives or did their own guilty conscience? Besides, the church loved this story and made sure it was included because it was in their self interest. After Ananias and Saphora died Acts 5:11 said &#8220;Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard of these things.&#8221; I&#8217;ll bet it did. They had no trouble after this meeting their annual budget. In counter-distinction Jesus says  over and over again, &#8220;do not be afraid,&#8221; and Paul, &#8220;perfect love casts out fear.&#8221; If God zaps us for lying out of own self interest then over-population would not be an issue. The question would be why there was any population left at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunday&#8217;s Sermon: Original sin, the wrath of God, and Jesus as the substitute payback. by Chris Wrenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Wrenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m interested that sacrifice somehow both attracts and repels me, intellectually and emotionally.  I am attracted to the idea that Jesus’ death transcends the Hebrew sacrificial system, but that is more because I am more suspicious of systems than of sacrifice.  For me, sacrifice is elemental not because it can or will appease God, but because it enables us to do what all of us (made in the image of God) want to do at our deepest core:  subordinate our grasping wills to the will to love and forgive.  Isn’t that what makes Jesus in the Garden on the night before his crucifixion so compelling?   He represses his own will and decides to sacrifice himself not to appease God, but to enable a situation in which he can enact the perfect model of non-violence and forgiveness, to demonstrate that the kingdom of God really is at hand, to show us the only way we have to bring that kingdom on.  

Does God demand Jesus&#039; sacrifice to redeem a fallen race?  I can’t quite believe that, but I have come to believe from experience that unless I choose (at least sometimes) to sacrifice myself and my needs for the sake of my brothers and sisters, I have a real hard time living in relationship to God.
 
I sometimes wonder if we Presbyterians aren’t a little too afraid of sacrifice, of saints and altars.  Our own church’s architecture goes so far as to create niches and leave them empty to demonstrate just how far we have gone to throw off all that sacrificial stuff.  We are very careful to keep our communion table from becoming an altar.  We put chairs in front of the reredos to emphasize our polity and keep it from being mistaken for something, God forbid, Roman.  There are very good and manifest reasons for those things.  We have a whole Reformed system that helps us to understand communion almost entirely apart from sacrifice, and that system appeals to my need for both boundaries and insight.  But it is a system.  

The most moving experience I have ever had in worship was at mass in my in-laws’ parish church.  I saw a little Hispanic boy with his arms around an old woman—maybe his grandmother--determined to help her struggle up the aisle to the altar to receive Jesus sacrificed for them in the Eucharist.  The priest could have brought the Host to her in the pew, but neither of them was going to let the opportunity pass to meet that sacrifice with their own.  All my resentment about being excluded from the altar by yet another system just melted away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m interested that sacrifice somehow both attracts and repels me, intellectually and emotionally.  I am attracted to the idea that Jesus’ death transcends the Hebrew sacrificial system, but that is more because I am more suspicious of systems than of sacrifice.  For me, sacrifice is elemental not because it can or will appease God, but because it enables us to do what all of us (made in the image of God) want to do at our deepest core:  subordinate our grasping wills to the will to love and forgive.  Isn’t that what makes Jesus in the Garden on the night before his crucifixion so compelling?   He represses his own will and decides to sacrifice himself not to appease God, but to enable a situation in which he can enact the perfect model of non-violence and forgiveness, to demonstrate that the kingdom of God really is at hand, to show us the only way we have to bring that kingdom on.  </p>
<p>Does God demand Jesus&#8217; sacrifice to redeem a fallen race?  I can’t quite believe that, but I have come to believe from experience that unless I choose (at least sometimes) to sacrifice myself and my needs for the sake of my brothers and sisters, I have a real hard time living in relationship to God.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder if we Presbyterians aren’t a little too afraid of sacrifice, of saints and altars.  Our own church’s architecture goes so far as to create niches and leave them empty to demonstrate just how far we have gone to throw off all that sacrificial stuff.  We are very careful to keep our communion table from becoming an altar.  We put chairs in front of the reredos to emphasize our polity and keep it from being mistaken for something, God forbid, Roman.  There are very good and manifest reasons for those things.  We have a whole Reformed system that helps us to understand communion almost entirely apart from sacrifice, and that system appeals to my need for both boundaries and insight.  But it is a system.  </p>
<p>The most moving experience I have ever had in worship was at mass in my in-laws’ parish church.  I saw a little Hispanic boy with his arms around an old woman—maybe his grandmother&#8211;determined to help her struggle up the aisle to the altar to receive Jesus sacrificed for them in the Eucharist.  The priest could have brought the Host to her in the pew, but neither of them was going to let the opportunity pass to meet that sacrifice with their own.  All my resentment about being excluded from the altar by yet another system just melted away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on  by D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so interesting! If you have time, I&#039;d love to hear your idea about the purpose of the story of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 if God&#039;s wrath had ended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so interesting! If you have time, I&#8217;d love to hear your idea about the purpose of the story of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 if God&#8217;s wrath had ended?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunday&#8217;s Sermon: Original sin, the wrath of God, and Jesus as the substitute payback. by sgoyer</title>
		<link>http://thedoorsopen.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/hello-world/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>sgoyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please see my last post at the top of the page for my comment for this. I&#039;m still trying to figure out how to do this blog thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see my last post at the top of the page for my comment for this. I&#8217;m still trying to figure out how to do this blog thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunday&#8217;s Sermon: Original sin, the wrath of God, and Jesus as the substitute payback. by D</title>
		<link>http://thedoorsopen.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/hello-world/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always have tried to understand God&#039;s &quot;wrath&quot; as one facet of his perfect Being (picture a diamond with many facets). That &quot;wrath&quot; stems from His absolutely sinless Being coming into contact with sin. Like oil and water, they don&#039;t mix. So His reaction can include &quot;wrath&quot;. If you negate His wrath, then how do you approach the fact that God is the God of both the Old and New Testaments since there are clear refences to His wrath in the Old Testament? And do you then struggle to believe that God remains the same yesterday and today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always have tried to understand God&#8217;s &#8220;wrath&#8221; as one facet of his perfect Being (picture a diamond with many facets). That &#8220;wrath&#8221; stems from His absolutely sinless Being coming into contact with sin. Like oil and water, they don&#8217;t mix. So His reaction can include &#8220;wrath&#8221;. If you negate His wrath, then how do you approach the fact that God is the God of both the Old and New Testaments since there are clear refences to His wrath in the Old Testament? And do you then struggle to believe that God remains the same yesterday and today?</p>
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